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13 September 2010

How Do You Know? Part 2

This post and a couple that follow it will be reinforcing the first point, from yesterday’s post. Be patient. One device that Scripture writers used for emphasis was repetition, and we see this happen with the Word as a whole on certain principles.

2. You can identify a person by the works he produces (Matthew 7:20)

“You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.

“Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
(Matthew 7:13-20, NLT)


Preston N said...

Gasp!! You mean my actions (works) actually matter!! Dean your surely not teaching a "works" salvation are you (sarcasm)?? This is usually the response I hear when I bring this point up that our lives (actions) need to be a genuine reflection of our hearts.

As a matter of fact I have been attending a local men's bible study and this past Sunday someone asked "what does being prepared for the return of the Lord look like"? I simply responded with reading Ephesian 5:1-21. When I got to verse 5 "For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." - a man in the group spoke up and said "No Christian can actually live this way". Another person spoke up and said "that sounds like works".

I was astounded - no actually dumbfounded! Is this not the very Words of God?? Yet how is it that we have somehow gotten away from the fact that as Christians we are to live a holy and blameless lives. Can we not do ALL THINGS through Christ? I can only put forth that certain ideas have consequences and we are seeing the consequences from those ideas........

John King said...

The word "Character is used by john an Matthew alot. Some of there focus was on. Thos of bad "character". bad conscince, unable to speak with 1 tounge, not 2.
They were saying these are people who are not qualified to teach the word.
Ones "works" will be seen by others as well as God. This is why the path get more narrow to Salvation, an wider to the lake of fire.
Preston wrote, one of the men said, we cant possibly live that way in todays world. To me thats a copout. Example. today we have the Bible anywhere if we need one. Internet etc. lets just go back 50 years. Men stood in parks an preached. To get the word out. Churches were full. in that generation. It was much harder. Do you think most said than. Im not walking a mile to church. They did. Today, we have a car, luxury items. Big TVs. Todays generation is getting sucked into there homes. Go to work. Come home close the blinds/ an its all about you than. You dont have to answer to anyone. My point. Todays generation is simply lazy. not all but most. Even me at times.
Lastly, how many men or women. Can you call 24/7 for anything?
The ones you can call. There on a narrow path. There doing works. They dont speak with 2 tounges. They jump up like a fireman an rush to the call. Works can be abused also. Those like myself unqualified to teach or lead. They are subject to a harsh punishment by God.
Giving back to God by your works to glorify him. Giving back to God the gift he gave each of us to Glorify him. I think that is what works, an salvation, faith all come together. Be the church 24/7

Preston N said...

Amen John!! I think the Bible calls these men with "2 Tongues" a "Double Minded Man".

John King said...

Yes Preston, an there goal is "All about me". I once said. some are very lucky. They grow up in a church where there taught the word.
Not given Crayons to color, than a snack, than a
Sorry, But its a shame but funny descprition.
The point is, alot are fed cookies an cake at church.
A few are taught the True Word. These children become both Men an Women with God. They don't talk in double tounges. They face the Truth as a Man or Woman would who truly loves Christ.
Dean mentioned the path to Salvation becomes narrow. This is where God dererates the Crayon belivers, from those who have followed him only.
I was told by a Pastor before being married. Because I was Methodist. He told his daughter leave me. Did he attempt to tell me the word. No. alot of Pastors ive asked this too. Said he was a Pastor who was holding a fistfull of crayons, instaed of the Bible.
Would you agree a Pastor like this. Is not following the word?
Lastly, if a Pastor is, as discussed in other blogs. Teaching the incorrect messege. Living a life of double tounges. Do I as a Christian. Have to love an be his friend. I think thats a choice. What if I have no respect for them? Respect is earned im told. not a Sin to disrespect someone who refuses the listen to the word.
Would love your input on this point....kinda off the subject..but about someones salvation....mine.

John King said...

Sorry for all the spelling errors...I got a Email in which made me very hurt. I'm trying to stay out of the rubber room. Would really like opinons

Preston N said...

John - I think it all depends on how you define love?? How does God define love? I think it is plain from scripture that one could define the love of God as Him having the highest good for all moral beings in the universe according to their worth. Now - that might sound like a mouthful, but it simply states God has our highest good at heart. Too often we have equated love as being emotional response - a feeling. Sometimes, love can even look harsh. For example, God says he chastens or rebukes those whom he loves - much like when a parent disciplines their child. Does this mean the parent loves the child any less?? Sometimes we as Christians have to "love" our neighbor or a person who is toxic or destructive, but that love is not always a warm fuzzy feeling, but can often be tough and difficult. I hope I made some sense here.

So in regards to your question,

John King said...

hi Preston yes you did...I've been praying about this an your correct. Thanks for taking the time to answer. You an Dean have helped alot.

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